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قديم 12-09-11, 07:41 AM   رقم المشاركة : 1
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صوديوم

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الصورة الرمزية صوديوم

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صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً

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افتراضي American man wants to recognize Islam and saudi society

I received a message from American in my email


Anyway, I guess the reason I keep mentioning my customer and her sister is that I don't want you to think that I hate Muslims. I don't. I was obnoxious when I was posting to Youtube, and I apologize for that. My customer is from India, they are a married and they are Muslim. Her sister married a Saudi man, and she lives in Saudi Arabia but she is Indian too.


Anyway, today is an important day for my country. You were 12 yrs old when my country
was attacked. I saw the 2nd plane hit live on TV, I had been awake all night and just happened to be watching the news. Before September 11, I knew nothing about Islam, nothing about Israel or the Middle East, and I really didn't care. And I am relatively well-educated and pay attention to the news. Most Americans knew absolutely nothing about Islam, Israel, or any of that. My country was never at war against Islam. My country guarantees the right of people to practice their religion. You know they banned the hijab in France. They could never do that in the United States, because we have the 1st Amendment. I was raised as a Christian, and I am a proud American, but I would never support a ban on the hijab. I support the right of Muslims to freely practice their religion in my country.
Muslims are free to practice their religion in the USA. Their right to practice their religion is protected by our Constitution. Yet Christians are not allowed to practice Christianity in Saudi Arabia. So how can Muslims say we are at war against Islam? Aren't Muslims being hypocrites? You can open a mosque anywhere in the USA, but it's illegal to open a church anywhere in Saudi Arabia. How is that fair?


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قديم 12-09-11, 08:06 AM   رقم المشاركة : 2
الكاتب

صوديوم

عضو نشيط

الصورة الرمزية صوديوم

صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً

صوديوم will become famous soon enough


افتراضي

: As I said, I knew nothing about Islam, and didn't really care. This was my introduction to Islam, 10 years ago


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FphTe...eature=related



. I saw this live, on TV. This was an attack on my country. AFTER the USA fought FOR the Muslims in Kosovo


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قديم 12-09-11, 10:23 PM   رقم المشاركة : 3
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بيان

المديـر العـــــام

الصورة الرمزية بيان

بيان غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








بيان غير متواجد حالياً

بيان تم تعطيل التقييم


افتراضي

اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة صوديوم مشاهدة المشاركة
I received a message from American in my email



Muslims are free to practice their religion in the USA. Their right to practice their religion is protected by our Constitution. Yet Christians are not allowed to practice Christianity in Saudi Arabia. So how can Muslims say we are at war against Islam? Aren't Muslims being hypocrites? You can open a mosque anywhere in the USA, but it's illegal to open a church anywhere in Saudi Arabia. How is that fair?



Saudi Arabia is completely Islamic and therefore, no churches, or shrines of other religions exist. The entire Saudi population is Muslim; the only non-Muslims in the country are expatriates who come to Saudi Arabia for work, they accepted willingly to work in Saudi Arabia, where churches are not allowed. However in all other Islamic countries which have Christian nationals, churches are allowed because Islam prohibits destroying the churches as it prohibits building new ones in the Arabian peninsula. In these countries, Christians have their churches, pursue their callings, profess their faith openly, and enter into polemics in defense of it; they continue to develop their religious, philosophical, and scientific legacies; and are in good relations with their Muslim neighbors.

When Muslims were victorious, they did not destroy the churches nor the synagogues, nor force the people to convert to Islam. The people were allowed to continue to practice their religion (Compare that with Numbers 31, and Deuteronomy 20. and also compare it with with the great Spanish inquisitions).

In Christian countries, Mosques are allowed because there are many national Muslims in those countries. Further, we, Muslims, worship Allah, our God and their God; whereas, Christians worship Prophet Jesus (pbuh). Muslims will not allow other gods to be worshipped in the cradle of Monotheism. Muslims will not allow the worshipers of a man-god to bring their polytheism to the cradle of monotheism.



Furthermore, the Bible is not allowed in Saudi Arabia because it insults God Almighty and his Prophets and contains many false charges against them:



The Bible says that a man struggled with God and the man overcame. (Genesis 32:28)



The Bible says that God is unjust (Job 19:6,7)

The Bible says that God sleeps (Psalm 44:23)

The Bible says God married Jerusalem and his wife became a prostitute! (Ezekiel 16:3-32)



The Bible says that Prophet Lot (pbuh) committed incest with his two daughters and that both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by him. (Genesis 19:33-36)



The Bible says that Prophet Solomon (pbuh) followed gods other than God. (1 Kings 11:4-7)



The Bible says that Prophet David (pbuh) raped a woman and plotted to kill her husband (2 Samuel 11:2-26)



The Bible contains PORNOGRAPHY:



The word of the Lord came to me: Son of man, there were two women... They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land THEIR BREAST WERE FONDLED AND THEIR VIRGIN BOSOMS CARESSED. The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah ... OHOLAH IS SAMARIA, AND OHOLIBAH IS JERUSALEM



When she carried on her prostitution openly and EXPOSED HER NAKEDNESS … there she lusted after her lovers, WHOSE GENITALS WERE LIKE THOSE OF DONKEYS AND WHOSE EMISSION WAS LIKE THAT OF HORSES. (Ezekiel 23:1-20)





How on earth, then, do you want Muslims to allow the church and the Bible in the cradle of Islam.??


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قديم 13-09-11, 02:50 PM   رقم المشاركة : 4
الكاتب

صوديوم

عضو نشيط

الصورة الرمزية صوديوم

صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً

صوديوم will become famous soon enough


افتراضي

: well, his response was


You make a valid point. My understanding is the history of the interaction between the Christian world and the Islamic world has been mixed. Christianity certainly has its violent past, and there are plenty of examples of Muslims and Christians living together peaceably.

One fear many in the West have is that Muslims want to conquer the world - they will not be happy until everyone is a Muslim. Do you think it's the duty of Muslims to convert non-Muslims, either by word or by sword, or can Muslims and non-Muslims live together in peace? There are Christians in Egypt and Iraq, I know, and in Syria too. Would you say then that Saudi Arabia is a special case because it's the birthplace of the Prophet? Do you think it's OK for churches to exist in Egypt, for example?


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قديم 13-09-11, 04:02 PM   رقم المشاركة : 5
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بيان

المديـر العـــــام

الصورة الرمزية بيان

بيان غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








بيان غير متواجد حالياً

بيان تم تعطيل التقييم


افتراضي

اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة صوديوم مشاهدة المشاركة
: well, his response was


You make a valid point. My understanding is the history of the interaction between the Christian world and the Islamic world has been mixed. Christianity certainly has its violent past, and there are plenty of examples of Muslims and Christians living together peaceably.

One fear many in the West have is that Muslims want to conquer the world - they will not be happy until everyone is a Muslim. Do you think it's the duty of Muslims to convert non-Muslims, either by word or by sword, or can Muslims and non-Muslims live together in peace? There are Christians in Egypt and Iraq, I know, and in Syria too. Would you say then that Saudi Arabia is a special case because it's the birthplace of the Prophet? Do you think it's OK for churches to exist in Egypt, for example?


The claim that Islam was spread by the sword is baseless:,

God says in the Quran: “Let there be no compulsion in religion” (Quran, 2:256). You have the freedom to follow the religion you want and throughout the history of Islam, non-Muslims have enjoyed the highest degree of freedom in the Islamic society; none of the Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians or Hindus has ever been forced to become a Muslim.

Throughout the period of 800 years when Muslim ruled Spain non-Muslims were well treated and flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have remained in Muslim countries since the beginning of Islam until now. ( Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen Jordan etc).

If people were forced to embrace Islam how could all of these non-Muslims survived throughout the history of Islam ?
. In refuting the myth that Islam was “spread by the sword”, THE (NON MUSLIM) HISTORIAN DE LACY O’ LEARY WROTE:
“History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping though the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted”. (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, P. 8.) .

The French historian, Gustave la Bon, in his book The Arab Civilization, described the crusaders behavior when they entered Jerusalem by saying:

The crusaders behavior, when they entered Jerusalem, was quite different from that tolerant Caliph Omer Ben al-Kattaab towards the Christians when he entered the city a few centuries ago.
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MUSLIMS AND JEWS IN SPAIN
Source, (Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia.):

The Muslim conquest brought peace to the Spanish Jews, who came to occupy prominent positions as statesmen, doctors, financiers, and scholars.
The peaceful Spanish era ended in the middle of the 13th century, with the waning of Muslim domination in the Iberian Peninsula. Under the Catholic monarchs, Spanish Jews were forced into the lowly position of other European Jews. During the Middle Ages persecution of Jews in Christian countries was the rule

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- ISLAM IN PALESTINE:
Source(Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia )
"The Muslim rulers did not force their religion on the Palestinians, and more than a century passed before the majority converted to Islam. The remaining Christians and Jews were considered “People of the Book.” They were allowed autonomous control in their communities and guaranteed security and freedom of worship. Such tolerance (with few exceptions) was rare in the history of religion."


SPREAD OF ISLAM

Source, (Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia .):

Although the Islamic empire collapsed, the religion of Islam persisted throughout the Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa. Eventually missionaries and traders spread the faith into sub-Saharan Africa, the Indian subcontinent, South East Asia, and Eastern Europe. Today the ummah, or community of Islam, consists of more than 1 billion members worldwide. (Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia )

ISLAM IN EGYPT
Source, (Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia .):
"
The Arab conquerors brought Islam to Egypt. The country became part of the vast Islamic realm known as the caliphate. The conquerors established their military and administrative headquarters, which they named Al Fustat, in what had been a Roman fortress called Babylon. Al Fustat was situated on the east bank of the Nile south of the delta. Most Egyptians did not at first feel the effects of Arab rule. The predominantly rural population continued to farm the land, practicing Coptic Christianity and speaking the Coptic version of the ancient Egyptian language.

Over the course of many centuries, the majority of the Egyptians gradually embraced Islam and adopted the Arabic language. These changes were due in part to the immigration of some Arab tribes and intermarriage between Egyptians and Arabs."


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قديم 14-09-11, 07:04 AM   رقم المشاركة : 6
الكاتب

صوديوم

عضو نشيط

الصورة الرمزية صوديوم

صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً

صوديوم will become famous soon enough


افتراضي

many thanks brother
... Here's his Question


How important is Sharia to being a Muslim? Here in
the USA are law is completely secular, there is no religious law. The US Constitution is supreme. You can have private individuals agreeing to resolve their civil differences using Sharia, but if there is a problem it would go to our secular courts. Criminal cases are tried by our secular courts and governed by the Constitution.

Can you be a Muslim in the USA and accept that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land here? What do you think of US Muslims who choose to live here under our laws?


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قديم 14-09-11, 02:30 PM   رقم المشاركة : 7
الكاتب

بيان

المديـر العـــــام

الصورة الرمزية بيان

بيان غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








بيان غير متواجد حالياً

بيان تم تعطيل التقييم


افتراضي

اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة صوديوم مشاهدة المشاركة

Can you be a Muslim in the USA and accept that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land here? What do you think of US Muslims who choose to live here under our laws?

If they want to live in the USA then they should, of course, respect the laws


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قديم 15-09-11, 04:58 PM   رقم المشاركة : 8
الكاتب

صوديوم

عضو نشيط

الصورة الرمزية صوديوم

صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً

صوديوم will become famous soon enough


افتراضي

Seriously, I'm not trying to be provocative. I really don't quite understand the idea of Sharia and what it means to Islam and to Muslims. As you know the West is secular, we have no religious law, so it's not something we are familiar with. I guess I thought Sharia was an integral part of Islam. It seems like Islam is much more encompassing in your every day life than Christianity is over here. Religion is a very private matter here. Of course there are very religious Christians, people who try to incorporate the faith into their every day lives, but that's a personal, private matter. It's generally socially inappropriate to talk about religion with people you don't know.

Anyway, thank you for your replies, I appreciate your patience.


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قديم 16-09-11, 02:20 AM   رقم المشاركة : 9
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بيان

المديـر العـــــام

الصورة الرمزية بيان

بيان غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








بيان غير متواجد حالياً

بيان تم تعطيل التقييم


افتراضي

اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة صوديوم مشاهدة المشاركة
Seriously, I'm not trying to be provocative. I really don't quite understand the idea of Sharia and what it means to Islam and to Muslims. As you know the West is secular, we have no religious law, so it's not something we are familiar with. I guess I thought Sharia was an integral part of Islam. It seems like Islam is much more encompassing in your every day life than Christianity is over here. Religion is a very private matter here. Of course there are very religious Christians, people who try to incorporate the faith into their every day lives, but that's a personal, private matter. It's generally socially inappropriate to talk about religion with people you don't know.

Anyway, thank you for your replies, I appreciate your patience.




Allah says in the Quran

(and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.) (Quran 5:44)


However Muslims in non-Muslim Countries cannot impose the Islamic law on other people but they can themselves practice their religion, abstain from forbidden deeds etc. For example alcohol is allowed in the USA but this does not mean that you have to drink alcohol . You can abstain from it as well as most of the forbidden deeds.


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قديم 19-09-11, 12:08 PM   رقم المشاركة : 10
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صوديوم

عضو نشيط

الصورة الرمزية صوديوم

صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً


الملف الشخصي








صوديوم غير متواجد حالياً

صوديوم will become famous soon enough


افتراضي

What about the divide between the Shia and the Sunni? There was a Saudi guy in our group a couple years ago, he said the Shia are not Muslims. I going to guess that the Shia would disagree with that statement. As far as I know, Shia are allowed in Makkah


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